This is considered terrible to the western fandom.
Have you ever read an anime review that has this near cliché phrase “this anime was good despite the fanservice”? I’ve seen this used more times than I care to remember. It’s lazy for the reviewer to think ecchi scenes as something that’s bad and placed there only to distract the viewer. Why does a show have to be considered bad just because it has fanservice? I’ve seen numerous anime that I’ve ONLY enjoyed for the fanservice but lacking in other areas . That’s not to say I’m shallow (ok, sometimes I can be) but I think a show that specifically has fanservice appeal should be reviewed on the merit of how well the fanservice is presented. Kyoani for example chooses to used fanservice in very subtle ways, while Xebec and Feel chooses to reveal in it. Both approaches are perfectly fine because each studios knows how to properly handle it.
Fanservice and good production values were the only thing going for Asobi ni Iku Yo!
I want people to start reviewing anime on the basis of how well done the fanservice of an anime is done and not as something that ruins a show. If you’re the type that hates fanservice yet still reviews anime, then maybe you shouldn’t be watching it. Learn to live with the notion that this is another aspect of anime that doesn’t need to be removed to be enjoyed.
Moe And Mecha Gattai! 
1. That pic of Miu is pretty tasty.
2. My thoughts exactly. I watched Asobi ni Iku yo! and for what it was, it was a good fanservice show. Not to mention that it was well meshed with the storyline as well as the action sequences. That alone is what makes it decent. I’m a sucker for fanservice shows that are pretty cleaver with what they do. Too bad the ass hats at ANN don’t understand.
3. Also, Papakiki wasn’t as fanserviced filled as that pretentious cunt with no name makes it out to be. If all these “reviewers” do is bitch about the negative and nothing more, they shouldn’t be reviewing anime, let alone consider themselves “anime fans.” For me, being an anime fan is watching and enjoying shows you love, not wasting time, bitching about stuff you hate. That is, unless it hits too close to home (looks at you Astral Ocean.) 😡
Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot to mention that there are good fanservice anime, and there are bad fanservice anime.
examples of good fanservice anime: Strike Witches, HOTD, Mayoi Neko Overrun (mediocre overall, but it had a lot of good fanservice moments.) Heck, even some shows that aren’t classified as such have certain fanservice episodes.
Bad fanservice anime: Eiken, Ikki Tousen (I don’t know how you feel about this one VZ,)
I haven’t really seen Ikki but the screenshots for it make it look lousy.
Came up with this analogy a while ago, and I still love it: Saying that a show was good “except for the fanservice” is like trying to order a pizza without the dough. What you are ordering is no longer a pizza. Just like a reviewer saying “Highschool of the Dead would be better without the fanservice,” if you remove the fanservice from the show, it ceases being Highschool of the Dead. These people act like fanservice is a tumor on a show. It isn’t. I mean, like it or not, the fanservice was put into the show deliberately as a regular part of the show’s development. That’s what I think these people fail to understand.
I also agree with Anubis, a show is only as good as the energy and passion the writers and animators put into it. No superficial element like fanservice can ruin a show alone. Do a compare and contrast between Strike Witches and Sky Girls and you’ll see what I am talking about.
If were going to judge fanservice shows on their main element then there should be some kind of criteria set in place. Production Values are huge when it comes to these kinds of series. How are the character designs? How is the animation quality? And how frequently are we titillated with material we consider erotic? I think those are a good starting point. Some fanservice shows such as Strike Witches or Popotan have strong narratives does narrative come into play when judging the basis of a fanservice anime. Or how about how much you care about the characters because if the look of a character doesn’t appeal to you then they have to rely on personality. And that is whole different kettle of fish.
I have to agree with what some others have said. Fanservice does not make a show bad. Now if it was a show like LOGH and there was a panty shot of a high school girl then I would agree that it would be way out of place for the show.
I like Anubis’s analogy. I mean does everybody need to like fanservice no, and I do not want everyone to like it. I just would not have everyone act like fanservice is ruining anime. If a story is good then having some fanservice is not an issue. Of course if the show is bad then well then it’s bad.
Except fanservice is annoying and uncomfortable in massive dosages. I watch anime to be entertained, if I wanna see boobs I’ll go to other alternatives.
Fair enough, but some do watch anime for fanservice and it’s fine.
It’s not really fine, it’s kind of pathetic. If all that interests you in anime is the promise of sexual gratification your better off putting in a porno or something
>Implying that the reasons for watching porn and the reasons for watching fanservice anime are the same.
Confirmed for novice.
Everybody has their own tastes guy. Condemning one taste as pathetic is flat out arrogant especially since anime has been sexual from the start.
Um, that’s not the only thing I look for in anime. There’s premis, character and art design. The thing is not only do I not have a problem with fanservice, I embrace it.
Anime has been sexual from the start……huh? If you truly believe that and don’t realize it’s just some shitty trend that started at the turn of the century then lol.
The reason people watch fanservice anime is for the simple fact of seeing tits and ass. You could easily do that with porn. A lot of them only exist to give rise to otaku’s fantasies. In which case, porn and hentai would still be a better alternative.
By premise you mean, is the protagonist a creepy pervert or a pathetic under achiever. If so it’s already piqued your interest.
By character and art design you mean how big are the girls tits and how much ass are they showing.
Plot? we don’t need no stinking plot.
Simply put, you’re wrong. The purpose of porn and hentai is to be a release valve for sexual tension. What ecchi and fanservice anime do is build that sexual tension up, but never hit the release valve. It’s meant to arouse and titillate, but not provide straight-up sexual gratification.
By premise you mean, is the protagonist a creepy pervert or a pathetic under achiever. If so it’s already piqued your interest.
By character and art design you mean how big are the girls tits and how much ass are they showing.
Plot? we don’t need no stinking plot.
Strike Witches has a fantastic premise, coupled with better worldbuilding than most non-fanservice anime.
Character design can actually be really crucial. It can make a good show great, or an otherwise good show bad. Akio Takami’s character designs (He generally draws women who are thicker-than-average around the hips, thighs, and waist, in addition to the bust) made Ladies Versus Butlers! for me. Otherwise, it would’ve just been an okay show.
And yeah. You’re right. Anime doesn’t need plot to be good. What’s your point?
Translation: Guys, stop having fun.
Anime got to only be SERIOUS!
Yup, if it’s not something manly or hyper violent then it’s no good.
Golden Boy, Plastic Little, Cutey Honey, Agent Aika, Ranma 1/2, Gunbuster, DNA^2, and Geobreeders would like a word with you. All pre-2000 fanservice anime, as described by the ANN Encyclopedia.
You seem to be looking at the era before the “Moe Boom” through rose-tinted glasses. Anime has always been a by-the-fans, for-the-fans thing, barring the very first generation of anime creators, who created the medium itself.
Devil Hunter Yohko, Cleopatra Queen of Sex, Dirty Pair, and 1001 Arabian Nights would also like to have a word with you.
Apparently, Roman55555 made a wordpress account for others to hear his unintelligible faggotry! That’s a lot of free time and energy you’ve got there sir. Especially when it’s the same shit you say over and over again.
I can easily think of two animes that are good opposites: Dears and Chobits. Chobits does have fanservice in it, but it does have a deep philosophical question that will need to be answered when the time comes, will humans still have relationships with each other or will they prefer the robots since they can be built to the customers exacting specifiications. While Dears just shows off Naked Girls, breasts grabbing, and other things. Do not get me wrong, I like nude girls, but Dears does not any philosophical questions that Chobits presents, despite being they are very similar to each other.
Yeah, I watched a bit of both. Chobits was the better of the two (not great but not awful).
Dears wasn’t terrible because of the premise or fanservice, it was just dull.
Popotan is an example of a series I think that’s great because of not just the fanservice, it explores a philosophical question about wanting to grow up normal versus having to do what is the right thing.
I get where you’re coming from, but that doesn’t change the fact that Chobits had fanservice in it. Strike Witches had very solid characterization Popotan had an excellent narrative despite the fanservice.
Chobits did have fanservice in it yeah, but it wasn’t good because it asked a question that’s been around for a while. What made it interesting was the fact that it explored to a degree, the very question it was asking. The fanservice in it was also in moderation.
Popotan wasn’t all that interesting either and fun fact, it was originally an Eroge. The only reason I watched the series is because I thought Mai was cute, but I’m not going to say the series was good or anything just because of that. It just wasn’t very good. I stand by what I said about strike witches. It was completely awful.
So basically you’re saying Chobits was better because it posed a question about how humanity would react if they could simply build the perfect partner for themselves when in truth, it’s a question that was asked many times decades before Chobits was even conceived?
I see.
You do realize that your opinion is completely subjective right? Strike Witches isn’t awful just cause you say so neither was Popotan both had good production values and placed heavily on characterization as well as fanservice. And your comment about Chobits still only proves my point that something can have fanservice in it and still be good.
Timeenforceranubis:”Simply put, you’re wrong. The purpose of porn and hentai is to be a release valve for sexual tension. What ecchi and fanservice anime do is build that sexual tension up, but never hit the release valve. It’s meant to arouse and titillate, but not provide straight-up sexual gratification.”
Which in all honesty is just pathetic. The reason you watch ecchi anime is for arousal? Yeah. Porn and hentai would still be the better choice making ecci pretty much pointless.
“And yeah. You’re right. Anime doesn’t need plot to be good. What’s your point?”
Except it does. That’s like saying a book needs no text to be good. You’re essentially saying substance doesn’t matter as long as there’s enough content to keep you “excited” which in and of itself is just stupid. That’s like comparing a good book to a porno mag.
@Timeenforceranubis: “Golden Boy, Plastic Little, Cutey Honey, Agent Aika, Ranma 1/2, Gunbuster, DNA^2, and Geobreeders would like a word with you. All pre-2000 fanservice anime, as described by the ANN Encyclopedia.
You seem to be looking at the era before the “Moe Boom” through rose-tinted glasses. Anime has always been a by-the-fans, for-the-fans thing, barring the very first generation of anime creators, who created the medium itself.”
Sure there were fanservice anime before 2000. Most of them weren’t that good either. Difference is, some of them were actually funny or had enough substance to make up for it. You mentioned strike witches earlier. Strike witches had awful world building bland characters and the fanservice just made it worse and this was coupled with all of the non-sense the series already had going for it. And for the fans by the fans? not all of the fans wanted tits and ass. It’s also funny because Most ecchi anime and manga today are almost exactly the same. The usually have the same premise, the same archetype of characters. It’s as if they’ve stopped trying to be creative and come up with great stories and since tits and ass seems to be the new schtick we get dozens of anime and manga focused solely on that. Ecchi’s been doing nothing but poisoning the entire franchise since the start of the century.
No one’s saying a story is bad because of fanservice. But when fanservice is a series main selling point/attention grabber chances are you aren’t a very good writer. You should probably put down the pen and go into the doujin/hentai business. At least there you don’t have to pretend you’re trying to make a story.
“Which in all honesty is just pathetic. The reason you watch ecchi anime is for arousal? Yeah. Porn and hentai would still be the better choice making ecci pretty much pointless.”
Ecchi anime tend to have higher production values than the average hentai. Not everyone wants to see coitus to feel arousal.
“Popotan wasn’t all that interesting either and fun fact, it was originally an Eroge. The only reason I watched the series is because I thought Mai was cute, but I’m not going to say the series was good or anything just because of that.”
I’ve very well aware of the origins of Pototan.
Here’s the thing, I don’t go looking for philosophical questions in animer. If it happens to be there and I enjoyed it then fine but people like me watch anime to be entertained, not to find the meaning of life.
Also with ecchi, people actually like being teased.
In fact some shows are quite brillant in have no actual fan service but provide a covert ecchi that fuels the fodder for doujin/fan art works. Nichijou and Hyouka for example.
“Ecchi anime tend to have higher production values than the average hentai. Not everyone wants to see coitus to feel arousal.
Ive very well aware of the origins of Pototan.
Here’s the thing, I don’t go looking for philosophical questions in animer. If it happens to be there and I enjoyed it then fine but people like me watch anime to be entertained, not to find the meaning of life.”
Hey, if your form of entertainment is essentially gratuitous tits and ass with no plot that’s fine. It’s your taste, but don’t go claiming somethings good because of it. It’s the same as people claiming because something is gory and action filled it’s good. It all depends on settings,plot,characters ect.
Unfortunately, as I said before, most ecchi anime happen to be the same stuff over and over again. In all honesty it’s a shame that money is actual spent producing it when there’s probably a lot better things that money can be used for…In terms of producing anime/manga anyway.
“Also with ecchi, people actually like being teased.
In fact some shows are quite brillant in have no actual fan service but provide a covert ecchi that fuels the fodder for doujin/fan art works. Nichijou and Hyouka for example.”
But in the end, you’re still only watching it for arousal and it’s a waste of time and money when there are a lot of other mediums out there that can be used for that.
You mentioned strike witches earlier. Strike witches had awful world building bland characters and the fanservice just made it worse and this was coupled with all of the non-sense the series already had going for it. And for the fans by the fans? not all of the fans wanted tits and ass. It’s also funny because Most ecchi anime and manga today are almost exactly the same. The usually have the same premise, the same archetype of characters. It’s as if they’ve stopped trying to be creative and come up with great stories and since tits and ass seems to be the new schtick we get dozens of anime and manga focused solely on that. Ecchi’s been doing nothing but poisoning the entire franchise since the start of the century.
That’s your opinion on Strike Witches. As for your comment on anime being bland how is that any different from any other entertainment medium? Yet those mediums aren’t held to the same standard that anime is. Ecchi isn’t killing the industry despite the vast amount of fanservice shows that come out there are shows like Death Note and Dennou Coil or Morbito that still come out. The problem is that nobody supports these kinds of shows when they do come out so the market responds with more of the same.
Strike Witches was brillant because it took world stereotypes and made an well choreographed and produced and fun show. Sky Girls was 99% the same show but I couldn’t finish the second half because it was bland, had poorly choreographed action and was twice as long as it needed to be.
VZ the first half of this paragraph was him not me.
I know. I was just replying in general.
“Strike Witches was brillant because it took world stereotypes and made an well choreographed and produced and fun show. Sky Girls was 99% the same show but I couldn’t finish the second half because it was bland, had poorly choreographed action and was twice as long as it needed to be.”
No it really didn’t .Infact the only thing I can really compare strike witches to is infinite Stratos and my god that was even more horrible.and mentioning skygirls? please. The only reason you like Strike witches over Skygirls is because the latter came out first. They’re both god awful.
“As for your comment on anime being bland how is that any different from any other entertainment medium? ”
It isn’t. Just like the anime and manga industry is plagued with crap/mediocrity other entertainment genres are as well.
“there are shows like Death Note and Dennou Coil or Morbito that still come out. The problem is that nobody supports these kinds of shows when they do come out so the market responds with more of the same.”
Exactly. Because you have a bunch of people who merely want to watch tits and ass. They merely want to watch anime because it fulfills their dull fantasies. Sooner or later they’ll just stop producing anything creative all together and we’ll have nothing but ecchi. So yes, ecchi is killing the genre.
“You do realize that your opinion is completely subjective right?”
Sure it is. The same way yours is, which is why we’re having this discussion.
“Strike Witches isn’t awful just cause you say so neither was Popotan both had good production values and placed heavily on characterization as well as fanservice. ”
So production values and tits determine a shows quality, great. In the end Popotan was fanservice ridden Kino’s journey. Only not nearly as interesting.
“And your comment about Chobits still only proves my point that something can have fanservice in it and still be good.”
I said that in one of my first posts
Seriously, I’d honestly love to hear what you all think good characterization is.
“Hey, if your form of entertainment is essentially gratuitous tits and ass with no plot that’s fine. It’s your taste, but don’t go claiming somethings good because of it. It’s the same as people claiming because something is gory and action filled it’s good. It all depends on settings,plot,characters ect.”
Why does a show have to have a plot to be considered good?
“But in the end, you’re still only watching it for arousal and it’s a waste of time and money when there are a lot of other mediums out there that can be used for that.”
It’s their medium, not ours.
Point being?
Another notion. The reason I and other can care for ecchi/moe/fanservice over a hentai is that time is given for the viewer to care about the characters. As TEAnubis stated, you’re a novice if you haven’t figured this out by now in anime.
“Why does a show have to have a plot to be considered good?”
Because a story/show without a plot is essential a huge waste of time. I’m not saying you can’t enjoy a show without a plot, again, that’s what you like, but if you examine character depth, story, setting ,ect it’s terrible.
“Another notion. The reason I and other can care for ecchi/moe/fanservice over a hentai is that time is given for the viewer to care about the characters.”
You mean the character that have no real depth to them. The kind of characters you can find it most generic harem/ecchi anime and manga. Most ecchi harem characters are just copy and pasted from other ecchi/harem anime and manga. You can change the appearance of the characters all you like but when you get down to the core of them they’re all the same. While this is a massive generalization of the harem/ecchi genre it holds true for the most part. You can rarely find manga based around ecchi/fanservice that also manages to be truly engaging.
” As TEAnubis stated, you’re a novice if you haven’t figured this out by now in anime.”
So let me get this straight, if some decides he’d rather watch porn/hentai for arousal and gratification instead of ecchi they’re a novice? lol Not to mention the fact that with his comment, he apparently believes that there aren’t people that fap to ecchi. That’s just to funny.
“It’s their medium, not ours.
Point being?”
That ecchi is pretty damn useless.
Shows like Seinfeld, K-On!, and Lucky Star tend to disagree with you. These shows had no real plot, but were majorly successful proving that you don’t need a plot to be entertaining. But since you love plot so much let’s talk about a recent anime that everybody praised called Redline. It’s pretty hypocritical for a fandom to cry “plot!” all the time then get an anime that has none yet it’s showered with praise. It was completely shallow and if you took away the animation you’d have nothing. Yet the fandom praises it for no good reason. It also goes to prove that fans really don’t want stuff that’s meaningful or deep they just wanna be pandered to. If you say I am wrong, then answer me this, why isn’t anime like Human Scramble, Only Yesterday, or 5cm popular over here? But overly violent stuff like the Hellsing OVA’s are?
“Because a story/show without a plot is essential a huge waste of time. I’m not saying you can’t enjoy a show without a plot, again, that’s what you like, but if you examine character depth, story, setting ,ect it’s terrible.
Except, if you look at it that way, all entertainment is a huge waste of time.
“You mean the character that have no real depth to them. The kind of characters you can find it most generic harem/ecchi anime and manga. Most ecchi harem characters are just copy and pasted from other ecchi/harem anime and manga. You can change the appearance of the characters all you like but when you get down to the core of them they’re all the same. While this is a massive generalization of the harem/ecchi genre it holds true for the most part. You can rarely find manga based around ecchi/fanservice that also manages to be truly engaging.”
Again, by your standard, very few characters in any genre are truly engaging. A lot of media is based around pre-established tropes that are essentially copy-pasted from past media and adapted to fit in new media. Ecchi anime is no excpetion, but neither is non-ecchi anime.
“So let me get this straight, if some decides he’d rather watch porn/hentai for arousal and gratification instead of ecchi they’re a novice? lol Not to mention the fact that with his comment, he apparently believes that there aren’t people that fap to ecchi. That’s just to funny.
Your reading comprehension needs work. What I’m saying is that if you think the core reasons most people have for watching ecchi/fanservice anime and the core reasons most people have for watching hentai are the same, you’re obviously a novice anime fan. And yes, there are certainly people who fap to ecchi. I never said there weren’t.
hows like “Seinfeld,”
Seinfeld was funny sure, but that was because characters like Kramer, and george really brought it to life.
” K-On!, and Lucky Star tend to disagree with you.”
lol two shows that were essentially random nonsense with jokes most grade schoolers wouldn’t laugh at.
“These shows had no real plot, but were majorly successful proving that you don’t need a plot to be entertaining.”
Popularity doesn’t equal quality. It never has and it never will. That holds true for all mediums of entertainment.
“Redline. It’s pretty hypocritical for a fandom to cry “plot!” all the time then get an anime that has none yet it’s showered with praise.”
1. The fandom doesn’t cry “plot” because if it did we wouldn’t have a bunch of ecchi.
2. Redline actually had a pretty cool plot combined with it’s gorgeous animation. Sure the story was no award winner but it’s a lot better then the crap we’re getting nowadays and was a welcome brake from all the mediocrity.
“It was completely shallow and if you took away the animation you’d have nothing. ”
You’d still have a plot 100x better then the typical harem/moeblob/ecchi crap for the most part.
“Yet the fandom praises it for no good reason”
what fandom is this you speak of?
“It also goes to prove that fans really don’t want stuff that’s meaningful or deep they just wanna be pandered to.”
Because a lot of them have pretty low standards.
It either has to have ass or tits or lots of blood. It’s a damn shame. The difference is, while both are terrible, ecchi is the main problem right now since it seems that’s all anyone wants. Saying ecchi should be embraced as a part of anime/manga is just encouraging it.
“If you say I am wrong, then answer me this, why isn’t anime like Human Scramble, Only Yesterday, or 5cm popular over here? But overly violent stuff like the Hellsing OVA’s are?”
That goes back to me saying just because it’s popular doesn’t make it good. You just brought up a good example yourself.
Hellsing is boring and the main characters a Gary Stu. I’m pretty sure I said earlier action and blood don’t make a good series.
Question: Is a bad plot better than no plot at all?
“2. Redline actually had a pretty cool plot combined with it’s gorgeous animation. Sure the story was no award winner but it’s a lot better then the crap we’re getting nowadays and was a welcome brake from all the mediocrity.”
Redline had shitty plot. Cars goes fast: The movie. JP was one of the most pandering characters (to western sensibilities) I’ve seen in years.
Oooooh he carries a switchblade comb, that’s sooooo badass.
Pfffffffffft.
Yes the fandom does cry plot fans expect every anime to be the next grand epic masterpiece. With some major revelation and when it’s not up to par with their unrealistic standards it’s automatically a bad anime. As for Redline being cool it’s only cool by western standards and it still doesn’t excuse the hypocrisy. Honestly for a fanbase that demands masterpiece works you should have demanded more then Redline. But are willing to accept it over the alternative damages your credibility.
@stabyouintheface: Another chicken-shit making an account just to bitch, whine and complain on another persons blog. *facepalm*
Apparently, you think talking shit will allow you to win arguments because you never listen to what others have to say. You never back up your arguments with any examples or reason why you think something sucks. All you say is, oh this show sucks because the characters are shallow and… *goesonfiveminuterant* Where’s your reason why you think something sucks? And since you mentioned Strike Witches, my guess is that you’ve only watched about five minutes, then starting ranting and crying like the little twelve-year old bitch that you are. Bitching about the fanservice, all while not focusing on the positives. It’s the same old shit you and a bunch of other prudish cunts say. But you never back up your argument with anything else.
Also, I saw Redline. It sucked. Everyone else already had their share of saying why. But just to make clear, I’ll have my say, since I shouldn’t leave my arguments without a point. I can’t deny that the animation in Redline is top-notch. But strip that away, and it should come as no surprise that it had nothing going for it. It was all cars go fast, alien invasion, race continues, THE END. I couldn’t find a damn character to relate with, nor did I care for the plot (which was basically nothing,) because I’m not a fan of racing. If that’s not a reason that convinces you, then get the fuck out. Stop ruining the fun for the rest of us. Or are you too stupid to do that too?
As for Lucky Star or K-On! I found the characters endearing and I enjoyed their little interactions with one another. I found that to be good characterization. Good characterization means that they give me a reason to love a character and these shows did that. My point is what makes a good narrative and characterization is subjective. So to say that these shows aren’t quality isn’t true, only true to you. Don’t get me wrong, I like deep anime but I just love anime for what it is not what it should be.
Well said.
There’s a reason K-On! and Lucky Star are popular. They’re legitimately excellent well produced shows.
Besides, why should Japan pander to a fanbase that doesn’t vote with their dollars. Bandai Ent. was pulled by the JP branch because they saw that the money wasn’t coming as well as their domestic market.
Japan, didn’t give a shit about Redline. it came, it went. In fact the director left Madhouse after that to do the new Lupin the third series.
I’m surprised there isn’t a huge hype in the west for the upcoming film Gothic Made by Mamoru Nagano.
Oh well, WTH. Lets make this the 50th post. Look at all the series that made this weeks BD chart sales in Japan.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-08-06/japanese-animation-blu-ray-disc-ranking-july-23-29
Also as stated earlier, sex is a part of anime whether it’s serious or just for fun that aspect of anime will be here to stay whether or not literary minded types such as yourself like it or not. As long as humans are sexual you will see sexual anime.
Personally I quite enjoy fan service from time to time. It’s become a staple in anime culture basically and I’ve begun to see it as a welcome friend rather than something thrown in just to keep viewers from changing channels. It sometimes helps remind me that no matter how serious or “hard-core” a situation can be, there’s always time for a little fun to brighten up the mood.
Hey, if your form of entertainment is essentially gratuitous tits and ass with no plot that’s fine. It’s your taste, but don’t go claiming somethings good because of it. It’s the same as people claiming because something is gory and action filled it’s good. It all depends on settings,plot,characters ect.
Show me where he said that. VZ simply stated that if a fanservice show has appeal how well does it present that fanservice he never said anything about it being masterpiece material.